Betreff: [Fwd: Re: Open letters to Peter Duesberg on HIV existence: Results]
Datum: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:01:38 +0200
Von: Michael Nitsche <my...@...de>
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Dear friends,

just for the sake of completeness I would like to forward to you hereby
a little reaction by Peter Duesberg to my 4th open letter
(http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~myny/duesberg-brief6.htm).
You can find his email at the end of this email.

As you can see there he only quotes a sentence out of a novel which has
no clear meaning but has to be interpreted.
It is not clear who is meant with the "lunatic" in his quotation. Is it
me who persists in his lunacy although Peter presents all the scientific
details against my lunacy?
Or is it him who gave my scientific arguments a fair hearing (my open
letters) and then doesn't want to answer and simply persists in his
lunacy?
Did he want to concede that by his quotation?

I appeal to all of you, dear friends: Let the facts speak and you may
find an answer.

well, in any case his reaction is scientifically totally irrelevant.



Dear Peter,

if it is me who you mean with the "lunatic" in your citation it is not
too late to prove in public that this is the case. Answer the 2 parts of
my 3rd open letter and prove that you have the right to call me a
lunatic.

Don't claim that I am a lunatic, PROVE IT and answer ALL SCIENTIFIC
CHALLENGES of the 2 parts of my 3rd open letter
(http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~myny/duesberg-brief5.htm and
http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~myny/duesberg-brief5-add.htm)!

I know now that you will not do that because your conscious lie that
"HIV" exists as a viral entity will only remain undetected in the great
public if you do not publicly debate the "HIV" existence question. for a
similar reason the AIDS establishment does not at all like to debate the
"HIV-makes-AIDS"-question and calls AIDS dissidents lunatics.

Experiencing you on this low level of "discussion" makes me somewhat
sad.

Greetings from Berlin,
Michael Nitsche


Following is Peter Duesberg's original message:

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Dear Nitsche,

"What can you do against the lunatic...who gives your arguments a fair
hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?" (Winston Smith, in
Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell)

Sincerely, Peter Duesberg




At 11:32 PM +0200 6/19/99, you wrote:


>*******************************************************************
>* BELOW YOU CAN FIND THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THIS OPEN LETTER! *
>* *
>* This and the other Duesberg letters can also be viewed here: *
>* http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~myny/duesberg-brief.htm *
>*******************************************************************
>
>Lieber Peter Duesberg, liebe Freunde,
>
>am 19. Februar 1999 schrieb ich den letzten offenen Brief an Peter
>Duesberg ( http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~myny/duesberg-brief5-add.htm ).
>Obwohl Peter mir bereits zweimal geantwortet hat, höre ich nun seit 4
>Monaten nichts mehr von ihm.
>Ist es nur Zufall, daß Peter mir ausgerechnet dann nicht mehr antwortet,
>wo ich ihm u.a. mit Hilfe der Perth Group ganz konkret die Löcher in
>seiner Argumentation, daß "HIV" existiere, aufzeige?