Subject: [Fwd: existence of HIV]
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 03:10:24 +0100
From: Michael Nitsche <my...@...de>
Organization: TU Berlin
To: rethink-de <rethink-de-list@TaoNet.org>,
Reappraising AIDS <reappraising-aids@i1.net>,
owner-rethinkaids@uclink4.berkeley.edu,
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CC: duesberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu


dear friends,

peter duesberg has sent me an answer to my open letter to him, which i
hereby forward to you.

my open letter can be read here:
http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~myny/duesberg-brief.htm
i'm sorry that there's still no english translation of the letter.

those of you who speak german may recognize by duesberg's reply that
peter duesberg neither says anything to the issues raised in my open
letter nor answers any of my questions that i asked in my letter.

from my letter peter duesberg can know that i read the whole discussion
between him and papadopulos/lanka. my questions to him referred to this
discussion. nevertheless peter ONLY tells me where i can find his
argumentation, although i asked him questions about this argumentation.

in short: peter duesberg sent me an answer to my letter but did not
really give any answer to its contents.

as peter duesberg writes "Please have a look at it, and then tell me
whether and exactly where there is a hole in the evidence for the
existence of HIV" he signals that he will only discuss the problem, if i
phrase the holes in his argumentation on my own, although papadopulos
and lanka have already done that very well.

so my answer to peters reply will follow. all emails will we published
on my homepage: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~myny/aids.html

as i think that the hiv-existence-question is a very important one for
our movement with the strongest impact on the
"hiv-causes-aids-hyothesis" ever possible (if hiv doesn't exist) i
encourage you to also ask peter questions concerning this problem if you
also think like me that duesberg hasn't shown that HIV exists.
if you don't want to write him yourself you could write me an email
about where you see holes in his argumentation and i could use it in my
answer to him.

on the other hand i would also be very grateful if anyone could explain
to me why duesberg has indeed shown that hiv exists. i cannot see that.
his arguments are all deconstructed by papadopulos/lanka. can anybody
exlain me why my view is wrong? why has he shown that there exists a
PARTICLE that has the properties of an exogenous and infectious virus
called HIV? (hiv is claimed to be an exogenous viral PARTICLE, not just
RNA or so!)

AND PLEASE NOTICE!: i only accept scientific arguments, i'm absoluteley
NOT interested in personal opinions!!!
so if you only have an opinion but no scientific arguments, PLEASE do
NOT write me, because opinions are irrelevant in science.
opinions cannot help me, but i urgently need FACTS and SCIENTIFIC
explanations, if i really misunderstand peter duesberg's argumentation
for the existence of hiv.

i hope that peter duesberg will give me those explanations himself soon,
if there are any.

finally i want to emphasize that peter duesberg once more says by his
answer to my letter that everything he has to say concerning the
existence-question of hiv is written in these two continuum-articles.
so we can really focus on these 2 writings and the answers to it to find
out, if there are scientific arguments for the existence of hiv. nothing
more counts until peter says something new.
i encourage you to find out and ask questions. if hiv doesn't exist we
have the ultimate argument against the "hiv-causes-aids-hypothesis"!!!
can we afford to neglect such a question?!

the debate about the HIV-existence can be read here:
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/award.htm

greetings from berlin,
michael


now this is peter duesberg's answer to my open letter:

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Dear Michael Nitsche,

Hier ist endlich die gewuenschte direkte Antwort. Da ich kein websiter
Finally here is the desired direct answer. As I am no websiter
bin, war ich nicht mehr sicher, ob und wo ich die von ihnen gewuenschte
I was not sure if and where I have the desired
Auskunft auf der website habe. Hier it is at last.
information on the website. Here it is at last.
Please have a look at it, and then tell me whether and exactly where
there is a hole in the evidence for the existence of HIV.

Here is how to get to that website: www.duesberg.com. Look under
"what's new." It containsmy two Continuum articles from 96 and 97 on the
existence of HIV.

The precise address using Netscape Navigator is :

http://www.duesberg.com/

Happy new year, Peter Duesberg